Man gets bloody nose while trying to get engagement ring back

The trouble started when the 30-year-old man made fun of one of his fiance's relatives. They began to argue in a bar and then moved outside. He asked for the engagement ring back, but she refused. A fight followed. (Oshkosh, Wis. Northwestern)

Comments

[stopeatingmysesamecake]

I don't know. The guy may be a hole of the ass, and I didn't see how long they have been engaged, but:

If you don't want to marry him, give him the fn ring back.

That may not be a popular opinion but too bad.

[Savage]

Good for her! I hope she used her ring hand to punch him with! What you guys don't seem to understand is that when you GIVE a girl a ring it is a GIFT! You can't take it back you cheap a** - What are you going to do with it anyway? Your so cheap you'd probobly give it to the next girl your with.

[Sheila]

The traditional etiquette rule states that if the woman breaks the engagement, she must give back the ring. If the man breaks the engagement, she keeps it. However, it seems reasonable to me that if he finds out she's cheating on him (or committed some other egregious offense such as bank robbery, murder, chews gum with her mouth open, etc.) and he breaks the engagement, she should still give back the ring.

[cwm2]

Spot on, Shiela ... and there must be a lot more than reported because the text makes no sense: "... she socked him four times in the face, bloodying his nose. Police arrested the man as the aggressor ..."

[jj]

"Police arrested the man as the agressor . ." because he was.

[sometimesilie]

Yeah, what Sheila said.

Savage, when you start giving us guys a $3,000 'gift' you can start talking 'cheapskates' but until then,,, get in the kitchen and bake me some pie!

[kestrelmas]

Question. If the ring was a family heirloom on the bride's side, as it was with me when I was briefly engaged, I argue that the girl gets to keep the ring, to keep it in the family.

Methinks the guy in this case bought the ring new, though. In which case, if I were the bride-to-be, I'd give the ring back if I broke off the engagement. Gift or not, it's the equivalent of a promise, a solid, physical symbol of promise of love. If that's broken, regardless of monetary value, I couldn't hold onto it, nor would it seem fair to sell it.

Maybe that makes me sentimental...

[Notch Johnson]

The whole idea of marriage is stupid. Especially the ring part.

[CJ]

In most states, the idea (the law) is that the ring is given in contemplation of marriage, so if the marriage doesn't take place, the ring goes back to the giver.

And I second the post above that marriage is stupid. The ring is a kind of "bond" (like a bail bond) that the woman gets to make sure the sucker, I mean the groom, will actually go through with a formal commitment that makes him liable to pay for her.

[American Veteran]

I'd rather see this one:
"--Arrested a 32-year-old Neenah man who was uncooperative when they tried to investigate a drunken driving incident in the village May 19. Police were called to the boat landing at Indian Shores Road where his vehicle ended up in the water.

The man threatened to harm the officers and kicked out a window in a squad car as they attempted to transport him to an area hospital to have blood drawn for a test of his blood- alcohol content, a police report said."

[BlueMary]

I'm beginning to wonder about the guys posting here.

Most of you seem to have an uncanny knack for picking the single ballbuster in a bunch and then permanently putting yourself in hock to her. Kind of pathological--or at least speaks poorly of your judgement.

Maybe you should talk to your friends and relatives or consult a professional about how to conduct a relationship with a woman so that she doesn't automatically reach for the castration scissors every time you walk by.

Just a thought, you all seem so terribly unhappy.

[Mook]

Aaaand the couple is off to a luverly start!

The stories below this one are pretty interesting... there's one where an ex-hubby calls the ex-wife twice and calls her Lucifer.

[thomas]

You're the only name I see here with 'Blue' as part of the moniker,,,,Mary.
Are you unhappy also??
Takes one to know one.

[Farmer Bob and the City]

Sterilize them all.

[Tom Weidermeijer]

Why do I get the feeling that this 'diamond' should be at the end of a drill?

[themom0925]

CJ is right. The ring is promissory. Most states law provides for the return of the ring if the contract is incomplete.
The only exception I know of is if the ring was also given as a holiday gift. Birthday or Christmas for example.
He should not have tried to physically force her to give the ring back. That makes him the aggressor. He should have taken her to court.
She had every right to defend herself. But she should've given the ring back when he asked for it.
Sounds like they deserve each other. I hope they don't breed...

[Sheila]

kestrelmas brought up an excellent point about the bride's side heirloom. I had forgotten that one. However, I do think if the prospective groom commits some egregious offense against the bride-to-be, she might be tempted to keep the ring. I'd have the stone(s) reset in another mounting and giggle to myself every time I put it on. If the break-up was just "we're not right for each other," I'd give back the ring.

[Fortunas]

"However, I do think if the prospective groom commits some egregious offense against the bride-to-be, she might be tempted to keep the ring. I'd have the stone(s) reset in another mounting and giggle to myself every time I put it on. If the break-up was just "we're not right for each other," I'd give back the ring."

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Fortunately, there are courts. It doesn't matter what you would do, you would get sued for the return of the ring.

Your giggling to your girlfriends doesn't really matter a whit.

[RockyMtnMac]

I'm with Sheila..
"He asked for the engagement ring back. When she refused, he attempted to pull it off her finger, the police report said.
She warned him several times to leave her alone and threatened to punch him. He told her to go ahead and she socked him four times in the face, bloodying his nose."
He was an ass. She told him to hit the street. He asked for the ring. She said "No". He tried to take it by force. She gave it to him...four times.
Pretty much sums it up. He lost his "investment" when he tried to take it by force.