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What the...?!: Woman cuts baby out of stabbing victim's womb
The alleged killer then tried to pass the baby off as her own. The 27-year-old victim, who was about 8 ½ months pregnant, was stabbed multiple times in the chest. (Seattle Times)
July 2, 2008 | Permalink
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Please, take a cue from PG Co., MD. Instant death for this person. No trial needed.
Posted by: JimmyVa | Jul 2, 2008 7:01:48 AM
"If convicted she faces life in prison without parole, or prosecutors could seek the death penalty."
One would hope they would seek slow, excruciating torture. I know, how about starting with slicing her stomach open and maybe yanking the half ton of whale blubber out? Just a suggestion.
Just when I thought the world couldn't get any sicker.
Posted by: sometimesilie | Jul 2, 2008 7:01:57 AM
We seem to get about one of these a year. Happily the perps do seem to get the death penalty.
Posted by: nellagain | Jul 2, 2008 7:20:17 AM
I have always wanted a child, however, slicing open another person's womb and physically removing a child has never crossed my mind. Where do these women come from?
Posted by: lawdog | Jul 2, 2008 7:24:45 AM
That is so tragic. The poor family -sigh-, I really don’t know what to say. Just when you hope that the world can’t become any more depraved, things like this show up in the news. I know I have seen stories about stuff like this on CSI and Law&Order, but it happened in real life, its just –sigh-, so very sad.
Posted by: SwimmerGirl.... | Jul 2, 2008 7:27:17 AM
Death can't come slowly enough for this waste of human flesh.
Posted by: R | Jul 2, 2008 7:28:56 AM
The profile, according to the National Center for missing and exploited children is
...A woman of child-bearing age who lives with a man. She is feigning her own pregnancy. She did this alone. She won't hurt this new infant. She'll parade the newborn around like a proud parent. And her husband will not have a clue.
The Washington Post reporter Donna St. George spent a year researching murders in which the victim was a pregnant woman or new mother. She learned "no reliable system is in place to track such cases." But her probing uncovered 1,367 cases nationwide over 14 years.
Posted by: nellagain | Jul 2, 2008 7:35:06 AM
This is not the first time something like this has happened. There are some real nut-cases in the world.
Posted by: cherie | Jul 2, 2008 7:39:38 AM
Sick as it is, the leading cause of death among pregnant women is murder. . . .and this worries me because I'm pregnant!
Posted by: Lizzle | Jul 2, 2008 7:52:05 AM
Well... at least when this woman is executed, she will be given a heavy seadative, a muscle paralyzer and then the KCl (Potassium Chloride) that will stop the heart beat. Death is relatively pain free.
Can't say that about the victim....
Posted by: Rat | Jul 2, 2008 7:52:11 AM
Nellagain;
Summer and sardine races aren't enough to cheer one up after those statistics. Have to agree with Cherie's comments from another thread. I too am often troubled and embarassed to be included in the same species as some of these perps.
Any stats on how many of these women successfully claim insanity as a defense? Can there be any other way to describe it?
Posted by: thomas | Jul 2, 2008 7:57:23 AM
The defense usually shoots for a diagnosis of pseudocyesis (false pregnancy) get it and try to lever it into a not guilty by reason of insanity.
And do not suceed for two reasons
1) killing and butchering a mother and a stealing a baby takes a fair amount of planning, study and collecting resources. Plenty of time to change your mind, consult a shrink, write to Ann Landers, whatever--so the crime is considered to be intensly pre-meditated.
2) Insanity pleas rarely suceed. Despite the premises of dozens of Law and Order episodes, in the US, the insanity defense is used in less than 1% of all court cases and is only successful in 26% of cases. Of those cases that were successful, 90% of defendants had been previously diagnosed with mental illness.
On the other hand you can be judged (under some standards) as guilty but mentally ill. Statistically, this basically means you will *never* get out of jail.
Its worse than murder for average length of incarceration. And murderers are released every day.
Lizzie: its the boyfriends that generally kill their pregnant girlfirends (the occasional husband but mainly BOYFRIENDS) so stay away from them.
Rat: I bottomed out on potassium a few days after a surgery and had a potassium infusion--NO LIDOCAINE (which the death row guys don't get either) and it was an unbearably painful. I wept, swore at the nurses, kicked the doctor and tried to clock one of the assistants who was holding me down. And it goes on forever. People being put down with lethal injection are dying very painfully. They just can't express it.
Posted by: nellagain | Jul 2, 2008 8:28:18 AM
Thanks nellagain,,,I think.
I understand the intense pre-meditation, but can't wrap my head around the idea that planning this kind of attrocity somehow is indicative of a person's sanity. To me it simply says that they have a choice not to commit the act. They're still dangerously crazy however they choose.
Posted by: thomas | Jul 2, 2008 8:44:32 AM
I cannot express the depths of the sadness nor the heights of the revulsion I felt after reading that.
Someone, anyone--please reassure me that society has finally hit rock-bottom and that we can only go up from here.
Posted by: Soo | Jul 2, 2008 8:53:25 AM
Lizzle: Get yourself some mace, steer clear of your boyfriend and don't tell anyone how far along you are.
I didn't tell anyone when my baby was due (except family) because I had that fear in me the whole pregnancy.
Posted by: chassiddy | Jul 2, 2008 9:03:58 AM
Sorry Soo, but I think that humanity will always have troubled people who do sick and depraved things to others.
Fortunately, the majority is not so intent on having what they want, right now, that they will stop at nothing to obtain it. Most of us stick to subtle ladder climbing and small errors of judgment.
Posted by: Reno | Jul 2, 2008 9:04:10 AM
Something like this happened not to far from my house a few years ago. The poor mother was stabbed with car keys, and cut open with scissors while she was still alive and left to die. She was buried in the sicko's garage. The sick met her ina store, and said she was also pregnant, and they were beoth having a boy, and such.
Nellagain, you are right, it is premeditated more than probably most crimes. (CSI, L&O have been the downfall of the Criminal Justice System because among other things they only have 1 case a week, unlike the hundreds that usually are going on and the tests they run are expensive and often impossible for small departments). You are also right about letal injection. I'm sorry you had to go through that! It sounds really really painful! I've not had to go through it, but I've studied why there are 3 shots. The first is to keep the person from screaming and yelling, the second is to keep the person from thrashing about, the third is to kill them. It is a painful painful experince as Nellagain said.
Posted by: i wish i was dancing | Jul 2, 2008 9:08:36 AM
Soo;
I share your inability to express, and the sadness.
For God's sake, stay away from any ongoing west African stories. The freaking barrel dosen't seem to have a bottom.
Posted by: thomas | Jul 2, 2008 9:11:33 AM
"Someone, anyone--please reassure me that society has finally hit rock-bottom and that we can only go up from here. "
Sorry Soo. Someone always manages to push the botton a little farther down everyday.
Posted by: Dick C. Normas | Jul 2, 2008 9:24:02 AM
Chass and Nellagain, my husband already knows about the pregnancy and is very happy about it. And I don't make it a habit to talk to people I don't know about, well, anything really.
But the stats on this are just really alarming.
Posted by: Lizzle | Jul 2, 2008 9:43:05 AM
Well, the horrible bloated monster probably 'reasoned' that she was unlikely to get a male to impregnate her... so she did this instead.
Posted by: Mook | Jul 2, 2008 9:47:10 AM
Mook, I'm pretty sure if she just swam out to sea during whale mating season she could find a Randy Humpback or two looking to increase his pod or posse or whate're the hell they travel in. Arf! Arf! Arf!
Posted by: sometimesilie | Jul 2, 2008 9:53:25 AM
Soo and Thomas,
Actually things are looking up. Less than 2000 years ago human sacrifice was a common practice as was nutritional cannabalism. Slavery was not only practiced but encouraged EVERYWHERE, ALL THE TIME.
Up until the late 1800's it was legal (but naughty) to kill a child under two (in the UK and defacto if not de jure in the US).
And there has been the development of compassion. Yes there has. You are upset and disgusted over the death of woman you would have never known, had you lived to 100. A cyclone hit Myranmar and there is international condemnation because the government *doesn't* help its people (previously their adjacent neighbors would have been praising some assortment of gods because cyclone killed so many of the "other")
True, there's no bottom to worse. But that does not lead logically or morally to automatic assumption that we are all doomed to slide down the razor blade of life into 9th circle of Hell.
Civilization takes a Loooooooog Time.
Posted by: nellagain | Jul 2, 2008 10:11:02 AM
If the baby dies,can she be charged with his murder as well??
I hope so. They don't like child killers in prisons.
I am like Soo...I hope we are at the bottom, but something tells me(the ground moving) that we aren't.
sick sad people in this sick sad world...
Posted by: rhia | Jul 2, 2008 10:52:54 AM
"If the baby dies,can she be charged with his murder as well??
I hope so. They don't like child killers in prisons."
That depends on the state and/or certain SCOTUS cases because there have been significant objection to such judgments and classifications as murder because of the pro-choice lobby. The argument goes something like "if they can charge that person with murder what is to stop them from charging a doctor as a murder" or because it identifies the unborn baby as a person, not a part of the mothers body.
Typically, I read news a lot, watch stories and whatever, and have a pretty emotionless response to them, but for some reason, today this one made me ball like a big ol baby.
Posted by: Rofo | Jul 2, 2008 11:46:04 AM
