Here's today's indecent-behavior-in-public-places story. (Wayne State U. South End)
This is common in all libraries. I worked at university and public libraries, and it is the bane of a library worker's existance. There is not much that is done about it, on account of free and open access philosophies.
It is still really surprising. SO many people use libraries to look at pornography. Libraries have kind of turned into pornography theatres/free Blockbusters.
Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 09:46 AM
Anyone notice that they didn't edit the person's comments who observed some "white guys" masturbating? Think they might've edited it if it was "black guys"? I do. I guarantee we would've seen ellipses: "I saw some ... guys masturbating."
Bottom line: the race of the men here is irrelavant.
Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 10:25 AM
They can obviously change their "free and open access philosophies" if they want to stop it. But of course that would be unconstitutional according to the American Library Association who has the secret version where Jefferson snuck in porn as an inalienable right.
Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 10:47 AM
Hhhmm that's funny our local newspaper (azdailysun)edits out the white people stories and puts all and anything negative about natives in your face. Not to "get off" the subject. But isn't it a health risk to have people masturbating all over your public computers. Can't they be arrested for indecent exposure. If they weren't white I'm sure they would be.
timbo da navajo |
Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 10:50 AM
How sad that some people don't have the decency to keep private things private. I feel sorry for the students who have to wait to use a computer to do some real work, while some shit-head is taking up the use of computer while others wait around for available computers. Finals week must be hell.
Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 10:57 AM
I work in a university library and this is a BIG problem. Our IT guys won't even work on our computers without rubber gloves. We have to clean them with alcohol on a regular basis, and we had to switch from upholstered chairs to plastic so the stains could be wiped off.
We also get people having sex in our A/V viewing rooms. Just this week I busted two kids who were probably about fourteen getting it on in one of the A/V rooms. The girl's mother, a non-traditional student, had brought them with her while she was studying. I guess she wanted to keep an eye on them...
Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 11:22 AM
l believe that this is very inappropiate, pornography and masturbation are not accepted on the street, why they should be accepted in public places? what is next? people doing it watching the billboads and ads on the street? Porn in advertising/ tv / videos ? what a minute, we are getting there... never mind!
Alex Duarte |
Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 11:49 AM
Ew. I don't even know what to say about this one ... except that last time I checked, you could get used adult magazines for $1 or $2 and do your thing in the privacy of your own home. There are also videos available for rental. These guys must either be stingy as all get-out or have a thing about masturbating in public.
Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 12:04 PM
First of all, GROSS! Second, DISGUSTING!
Now, I know that some think it is OK to do these things in public places and that it is their right, but what about the right of the people who have to view their disturbing behavior? What about the right of library patrons who use the library for research and learning? What about the right of the network admin? What about the right of the Librarians? We seem to really only focus on the right of the perpetrator but not on the right of others.
ACLU, where are you? No word from the ACLU. Hummm.
Rights of lots of people are being violated by the pervs.
Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 12:49 PM
The belief that a public library cannot forbid viewing pornography on its computers is erroneous. My public library doesn't shelve "Ass Masters" magazine (or some such), why should I expect it to allow patrons to look at porn on a screen?
Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 01:39 PM
Masturbating is not allowed in libraries; that is where the line is drawn and when you can get 86'd. Working in libraries with chronic creeps, you begin to WISH that the guy coming in every day to look at porn for 2 hours will publicly masturbate, so you can catch him and get him kicked out. The problem is that dudes are stealthy, and librarians are afraid to get into heat over wrongfully accusing them.
Also, during finals weeks in University libraries, patrons not explicitly using a computer for papers can be asked to leave. They usually do. It is a sort of compromise worked out between staff and the long-term public users.
I think no porn in the library would be great, but it is sort of difficult to put filters on the internet. But even after all that, it is pretty awesome that the library opens all access, to everyone, in a grander sense.
Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 04:05 PM
"you could get used adult magazines for $1 or $2"
Used porn....that's when I would want gloves before touching it.
Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 05:57 PM
My wife and I experienced this same thing at the L.A. Main Public Library in Downtown L.A. We were using the computers to search the catalog...I turn around, and this one fella in the row behind us has his eyes glued to his screen (almost literally—he had his face like 5-6 inches from it) as he scrolled ever so slowly to see the fully nude bodies of pre-teen girls. No kidding, it was genuine child pornography. This guy was even breathing heavy and everything...he was really into it.
The crazy thing about it was he was surrounded by people and kids on every side, and his screen would've been easily viewable by anyone around him. But no one seemed to notice, since everyone else was using the computers for research, etc.
Of course, my wife immediately went to the nearest librarian on the floor and complained. The librarian responded with the "free speech" thing and what not, basically letting her know that there was nothing they could do about it. Even when she said he was looking at child porn! I dunno, I just felt like shoving his face through the monitor glass so he could really get a good look. But I guess that's the way the so-called system works.
Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 06:35 PM
i'm a fan of pornography. But i restrict my porn viewing for when i'm in my room... or sometimes when i'm really bored at work.
Thursday, June 09, 2005 at 12:50 PM
Masturbating in a public place is about 'masturbating in a public place'. There are plenty of oppurtunities for anybody to masturbate in private, so going public is strictly about the stimulation value derived from exposing others to their behavior and/or the porn they are viewing. It is antisocial behavior pure and simple.
The librarians are between a "rock and a hard place". They have a duty to allow internet access to all, but the skeeves who come in and take advantage of this fact for their own jollies, regardless of who might be offended, are the ones in the wrong.
Anybody with the emotional/social age above 5 knows this is wrongful behavior. Only a concerted effort by the adults of this world will put a stop to this. Complaining to the staff and following up is what is needed. Society has to set the 'norms' here. Shrugging it off only lets it grow it worse.
The library my last girlfriend worked at solved the problem by placing the free access stations in full view of the staff and patrons. This worked for a small city, obviously larger cities find even this far from inhibiting.
Perhaps we need volunteers to wander the aisles making it clear that while viewing porn might be tolerated, masturbating (and kiddie porn) need not be. That is definitely against the law. People need to step up and make anti-social behavior pay. We all have a stake in the communities we live in.
Thursday, June 09, 2005 at 07:59 PM
But pseudolus, even viewing porn in public is not tolerated anywhere else. If I opened up a Hustler magazine on the Metro, in full view of children, I'd be arrested for indecency.
Friday, June 10, 2005 at 11:00 AM
They can rent a video instead of buy a magazine, then. And if they have to wear gloves ... well, it said in the article that the people who clean at night have to wear gloves, too, and they're not even getting their jollies on. How fair is that?
Friday, June 10, 2005 at 01:46 PM
Yeah, I witnessed a couple of white guys masturbating on the first floor, but I quickly turned my head," said Antoine Stevens, a freshman. "After that, I went to the third floor."
"I don't think it's appropriate for students to look at porn sites because it may be other people around who don't want to see negativity," said Stevens. "If it's OK to see porn in here they should have a little area to go to."
Antoine is priceless. They don't want to see "negativity"? Larry Flynt, negativity king...
I do like the pornoteria idea though.
Monday, June 13, 2005 at 04:29 AM
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